How to put suggestions into CD without sounding dodgy?!

[Henxy]

Hi All,

I'm getting ready to record my CD to give to my patients.

I have lots of red tape-type outcome measures to prove... Such as the patients going to their general practitioner/family doctor less...

How do I get this kind of thing into the CD without sounding and being dodgy?!

I'm happy with the rest of the content- but I don't want the patients to see me AND the doctor (it kind of defeats the purpose!)...I've forgotten the other measures at the moment!

Hoping to hear your ideas.

Many thanks!

[James Hazlerig]

Henxy,

Be careful. If you are suggesting that your clients stop seeking medical care, you could be accused of practicing medicine without a license, which is illegal. (I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like shaky ground to me.)

But here's the thing: I don't believe you have to suggest that. If your clients are getting better without having to take lots of pharmaceuticals, they won't choose to go to the doctor as often.

Consider the experiments of Doctor Munro. (Elman discusses them in his book.) Before surgery, Munro would hypnotize his patients and give them suggestions for feeling relaxed and comfortable. Then he would gradually apply chemical anaesthesia until he reached the desired level. (In those days, it was ether, which had to be applied gradually so as to avoid overdose and damage.) What he found is that his hypnotized patients needed far less ether than other patients.

Now, he didn't suggest to them, "You don't need ether." He didn't need to. And you don't need to suggest that your clients don't need doctors.

It's far better to make the physicians your allies. They will see the improvement in their patients and be more likely to send you referrals. They will also have the means to measure your client's improvement, which will reinforce your effectiveness in the minds of your clients.

(I recently saw a very gloomy client with MS. When he came to his second session, he was excited and eager to get on with hypnosis, because after our first session, his doctor had observed that he had NO NEW DEGENERATION. His doctor had never said anything like that. Nothing I could have done would have been such a powerful convincer.)

Happy trancing,

James

[Susan French]

Hi Henxy,

Forgive this yank, but exactly what do you mean by 'dodgy'? Do you mean hocus-pocus sounding--like a gypsy on the streetcorner?

lol

Susan

[Henxy]

Hi James,

Thanks for your cautious and very sensible advice. Sorry, I didn't mention in this thread that I'm working WITH drs, employed by them...(Hence 'patient', not 'client') So the outcome measure of the service has been decided by the drs that they'd like this patient group to present to them LESS. If the patients are seeing me AND the drs, then the service won't have succeeded. I was thinking along the lines of 'Symptom control = less time spent at the dr’s, and more time spent living and being happy'. I'm not a renegade, and most definitely NOT anti-dr...
Thanks again.

James Hazlerig said:

Henxy,

Be careful. If you are suggesting that your clients stop seeking medical care, you could be accused of practicing medicine without a license, which is illegal. (I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like shaky ground to me.)

But here's the thing: I don't believe you have to suggest that. If your clients are getting better without having to take lots of pharmaceuticals, they won't choose to go to the doctor as often.

Consider the experiments of Doctor Munro. (Elman discusses them in his book.) Before surgery, Munro would hypnotize his patients and give them suggestions for feeling relaxed and comfortable. Then he would gradually apply chemical anaesthesia until he reached the desired level. (In those days, it was ether, which had to be applied gradually so as to avoid overdose and damage.) What he found is that his hypnotized patients needed far less ether than other patients.

Now, he didn't suggest to them, "You don't need ether." He didn't need to. And you don't need to suggest that your clients don't need doctors.

It's far better to make the physicians your allies. They will see the improvement in their patients and be more likely to send you referrals. They will also have the means to measure your client's improvement, which will reinforce your effectiveness in the minds of your clients.

(I recently saw a very gloomy client with MS. When he came to his second session, he was excited and eager to get on with hypnosis, because after our first session, his doctor had observed that he had NO NEW DEGENERATION. His doctor had never said anything like that. Nothing I could have done would have been such a powerful convincer.)

Happy trancing,

James

[Henxy]

Hi, my friend Susan,

'Dodgy' to me means questionable, charlatan. Not in the patients' best interest. Along the ethical lines of using subliminals in advertising!

Hope this helps!

XXX

Susan French said:

Hi Henxy,

Forgive this yank, but exactly what do you mean by 'dodgy'? Do you mean hocus-pocus sounding--like a gypsy on the streetcorner?

lol

Susan

[Susan French]

I simply use my best mothering voice. That seems to work for me. Nurturing, gentle, like you're reading a bedtime story, kind of.

Hope that helps.

Henxy said:

Hi, my friend Susan,

'Dodgy' to me means questionable, charlatan. Not in the patients' best interest. Along the ethical lines of using subliminals in advertising!

Hope this helps!

XXX

Susan French said:

Hi Henxy,

Forgive this yank, but exactly what do you mean by 'dodgy'? Do you mean hocus-pocus sounding--like a gypsy on the streetcorner?

lol

Susan

[Henxy]

Hi Mr Green, Sir Paul!

It's almost the opposite. It's belt and braces that I'm trying to avoid, so it'd be like getting the full gold service done by 2 separate garages (admittedly, as a girl, they tend to take the mick anyway!).

Patients don't come to my service unless they've had a full diagnosis, which includes 6 months of symptoms, a full blood work-up including immunoglobulins, and they've had lifestyle and dietitian advice, along with various drugs for 12 months post diagnosis and STILL aren't any/much better.

So if the patient doesn't realise that they're not 'meant' to pop along to the doc's as often as they did, the criteria by which my service gets marked won't show the value of what I'm doing. And equally, I don't want to lead the patient too much by suggesting/instructing/informing them to effectively keep away from the doctor...

[Henxy]

Hi Susan,

Thanks.

I was looking more for content, but you do have such a lovely voice! XXX

Susan French said:

I simply use my best mothering voice. That seems to work for me. Nurturing, gentle, like you're reading a bedtime story, kind of.

Hope that helps.

Henxy said:

Hi, my friend Susan,

'Dodgy' to me means questionable, charlatan. Not in the patients' best interest. Along the ethical lines of using subliminals in advertising!

Hope this helps!

XXX

Susan French said:

Hi Henxy,

Forgive this yank, but exactly what do you mean by 'dodgy'? Do you mean hocus-pocus sounding--like a gypsy on the streetcorner?

lol

Susan

[Susan French]

This might seem obvious, but have you looked in any good script books you have? If not, we could set up a time to talk and/or im/skype. I can probably find some in my vast collection that were written by and for physicians themselves.

Susan

[Kelley Woods]

Hi Henxy,

How about appealing to the listener's Inner Healer? "Now that you have done what you have been told by your doctor, you are ready to enlist the additional help of your own, innate self-healing specialist" After explaining aspects of the mind-body and the importance of clearing emotional dis-ease and stress, you can go on to specifics, be they emotional release, pain/stress management...etc. This will politely remind your patient of their own power and responsibility toward becoming whole without making them feel guilty.

Best wishes,

Kelley

[Chris Witherspoon]

I'm a bit confused. Is what you are saying, that you are seeing clients that have been seen and evaluated by the physicians that you are working for and that these clients are patients have gotten better but still have issues that may or may not get better and that the physicians would like to monitor their health but not have to do so much hand holding. I don't want to sound crass but are these patients that have basically been told to learn to live with their condition?

[Fable Goodman]

HI henxy,

remembering the previous threads about your project, I can see that this is highly appropriate

I would simply add some overt suggetion towards the end of your recording, that as a resullt of their continued improvement, with this process, they will find that they need to visit thier doctor less and less, as the months go by.

Dr. John hartland used to make this a part of his famous 'Ego strengthening suggestions' which are still well used.

be completely clear and up front about it. there is nothing unethical ther.

Love and hugs,

Fable

[Henxy]

Hi Chris...
That's what my service is for: IBS. People have to learn to control ('live with'?) their condition & symptoms.
There's nothing structurally wrong with these people, so the drs can only humour them and book them in for test after test, seeking an organic cause for their symptoms, or they can help by supporting and referring to me.
The patient group has a high proportion of 'healthcare seeking behaviour', and will often think they're misdiagnosed, and that the tests and or drs are wrong.
I will not be providing a good service if the patients are still seeing their drs as much- I'll just be an additional service with additional costs...Which doesn't justify my wage!
Weaning these patients from their healthcare seeking behaviour is a success marker both of my service and for its commissioning in the NHS.


Chris Witherspoon said:

I'm a bit confused. Is what you are saying, that you are seeing clients that have been seen and evaluated by the physicians that you are working for and that these clients are patients have gotten better but still have issues that may or may not get better and that the physicians would like to monitor their health but not have to do so much hand holding. I don't want to sound crass but are these patients that have basically been told to learn to live with their condition?