Hypnosis and Meditation

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Comment by D. Thomas Ramey on October 5, 2009 at 9:09pm

Hi Page,
I can follow what you are saying, sometimes meditation is used for the outward journey. Yet for all intensive purposes meditation is or must be - when starting out - an inward journey of true discovery. It is not quite as New Age as Astral Travel, of which I partake of substantially. I am a two year newbie at Yoga, and love the feeling I receive after a session, and I prefer the morning to evening there. However when it comes to meditation, I have been practicing for over forty years, having started in the latter sixties under the tutelage of the Maharishi, then later under my present mentor Dr P.L. Masters. Thank-you for the invite to your group, I would very much like to join.
D. Thomas

Comment by Page Turner on July 31, 2009 at 11:40am

Hello!
I would like to invite anyone who is interested in these subjects to join my new group HypnoYoga!
The first 20 people to join will receive a Free pass to one of my Online classes!

And I can't help commenting on the current discussion. I think the journey and purpose of each and every meditation, as well as each and every hypnotherapy session is purely unique to the client and that session's purpose.
Sometimes meditation can be an outward journey, for example, if someone is attempting to project astrally. And many times a hypnosis session can be purely focused on going inward, allowing the client to get in touch with themselves on a deeper level that they may not have been able to reach on their own through meditation.
The hypnotist is not there to be an outward focus of attention, on the contrary, is there to facilitate the client's desires previously divulged in cognitive council.

Comment by Thal on May 5, 2009 at 5:39pm

One of the post's I read in a discussion here, mentioned reading the WikiPedia entry on Meditation. I did. It is an excellent review of the many various forms of meditation.

I think that most people would agree both meditation and hypnosis involve the presence of a 'trance' state and the intense focus on attention upon some item in the awareness.

What became even more clear to me is the one HUGE difference between meditation and hypnosis.

In Meditation, the focus of attention is always INWARD, and the purpose is to unify the conscious self, and the subconscious self with the inner or higher 'Self' (with a capital S) to attain spiritual enlightenment. There are a wide variety of descriptions of the whys, hows and whats in meditation, but that is common thread among all the readings.

In Hypnosis, the focus of attention is OUTWARD, upon the instructions of the Hypnotist. All the techniques of hypnosis are, in general, various methods of directing the attention of the subject in a manner that bypasses the conscious mind (the intellect or critical faculty) and implants suggestions directly to the subconscious mind (non-verbal, intuitive, creative faculty).

In the positive use of this skill, a hypnotherapist, with the knowledge and consent of the subject, can accomplish many therapeutic goals to the benefit of the client.

In the neutral and a safe setting of the public stage, the stage hypnotist can perform all sorts of harmless and amusing mischief with the consent of the subject and audience.

In a negative use of this skill, a hypnotist can divert the attention of the subject in a manner that permits one to accomplish acts of an agenda hidden to the subject.

On the street, a person skilled in hypnosis or NLP etc. can pull off the Russian Scam, whisking away a watch or wallet, while the subject is distracted. In the guise of a therapeutic setting or in a personal relationship, a manipulative person skilled in hypnotic techniques can perhaps 'divide the mind' of the subject, creating smaller 'selves', which act without the knowledge of the conscious self.

While the statement "all hypnosis is self-hypnosis" may well be true, there a individuals who are skilled manipulators (with or without the tool of hypnosis), who can and will take advantage of another individual. Thus is the dark side human relationships.

Many, who are concerned with the development of spirituality, reject outright the methods of hypnosis, because of the ability of hypnotic technique to 'divide the mind'.

Therefore, we as practitioners of hypnosis must remain mindful and take to heart the charge given to medical doctors by Hippocrates "I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone."

THAL

Comment by Pattie Freeman Ch.t, CSH on March 15, 2009 at 2:33am

I do meditation when I can or to improve my intutiveness before I see my clients.

Comment by D. Thomas Ramey on February 2, 2009 at 8:25pm

Hey Steve that treatment really creates a strong focus for your meditation doesn't it? It works for me, yet my fav is a giant double terminated rudilated quarts that I usually use in my sessions. The focus is so intense that it leaves me flying for a week, so its limited to once a week with and the rest without :-).
However I do a lot of meditation through yoga, started doing some poses about two years ago during a photo shoot for my wife with a model (gal) as in partnered yoga got hooked (yeah its awesome) and never looked back. No not the gal, the yoga! :-) It's truly a great way to pull the spirit / mind / body (I use this order as from my view, the spirit comes first, but we all have our own view point) connection tighter. Well later, have to do some finishing touches to website. I'll leave you with this blessing:
NAMO AMITABAH TO ALL SENTIENT BEINGS May they find their true path in this life time!

Comment by Steve Lovold on January 21, 2009 at 12:37pm

Once in a while when I'm meditating, and lying flat on my back, I will put a large peice Lapis over my third~eye. This is to enchance ones intuition. Afterwards I always ground myself, by holding onto some peices of Hematite.
~ I thought that someone might like this, to try. ~ Thanks

Comment by Melissa J. Roth on January 15, 2009 at 8:38pm

I just visited on the Naropa University campus in Boulder, Co. It's a university dedicated to higher consciousness. Every student takes meditation classes each semester. Interesting place. Very intersting concept in education.

Comment by Steve Lovold on January 14, 2009 at 9:20am

I have recently been on the grounds of the Pacifica Graduate Institute in Santa Barbara, there on the grounds is a exstensive ammount of archived papers by C. Jung and Joseph Campbell.
As well as a peacefull place to meditate, and connect with other kindred spirits, on many levels, they have a Depth Psychology department that I have recently been very intregged by. ~

Comment by D. Thomas Ramey on January 12, 2009 at 9:08pm

It seems that whenever we push the envelope - the known - we discover more of what we seem to be drawn to from "the other side". I have been meditating on and off for the past thirty-eight years, after first discovering it in a college young adult summer retreat program. I was so taken by the personal discoveries and of those my fellow explorers that it has become a lifelong endeavor and indeed pleasure. During those days I would listen to pre-recorded discussions by Allen Watts on psychology, spirituality and other subjects on late-night FM radio, while reading a book of C. Jung's, or J. Hillerman's. Today I am facilitating guided and non-guided meditation sessions along with my current practice of Holistic Family Counseling, where I can help my clients choose between meditation or hypnosis to further help in their process of healing and self-discovery. It still makes me ecstatic to participate in this "The Grand Experiment". There will always be new and exciting things to discover and explore.