Some definitions needed here -- Rapid, Instant, and Speed-Trance, oh my!

[John Cerbone - The Trance-Master]

So we're all on the same page here, I thought a general description of some kind would be worthwhile as a guide post.
Some years back and hypnosis conference in New Jersey, there were several hypnotists whom delineated very clearly, from their many years of experience their view Rapid versus Instant Inductions.
At the time, they considered the Rapid Induction something under five minutes.
An Instant Induction was considered something less than three minutes.
To kick things up a notch, from my point of view, the Speed-Trance induction should take less than five to six seconds. When you get really good as Speed-Trance induction, you may be working in fractions of a second on various people. If you are working longer than that, you're probably working too hard.
So to recap:
Rapid = five minutes or less.
Instant = three minutes or less.
Speed-Trance = less than five or six seconds.

[chris john]

Now, i'd of said that an INSTANT induction, was just that, instant, and maybe classed that
in the spot you put speed trance?

[John Cerbone - The Trance-Master]

At that time, I thought instant meant instantaneous. Apparently, that's not the way the hypnosis profession had classified it. To me I was thinking instant coffee, and other instant products, just mixe with water, and poof, there you go. Not so, according to the old timers back then.
Hence the need for speed, hence Speed-Trance.

chris john said:

Now, i'd of said that an INSTANT induction, was just that, instant, and maybe classed that
in the spot you put speed trance?

[bob burns]

Yeah I'm with chris john. I only see rapid and instant. Rapid being very fast, I'll accept your 5 mins or less, and instant being under 30 secs (including very brief pre-amble).
For what it's worth John I was at a garden party a couple weeks ago (mainly studenty types ave age 21-ish) and for whatever reason I ended up with a line of volunteers (say 15-20) seeking to be instantly hypnotised.
On around the 4th or 5th I slipped in your butterfly terchnique (1st time for me since viewing your dvd) and they simply dropped within 10 secs. I simply didn't stop and 10 to 12 people all went within 10 secs using the same technique, which I would call an instant induction.
I have to say that as professional as I hopefully appeared to be, I was smiling inside as I always do when I try something which is new for me and it works out perfectly. Thanks John. It was fun.
Bob

[Brian David Phillips]

I agree, typically Instant would be 30 secs or less for final setups and then pop 'em in five seconds or less. Instant does mean instantaneous but NO ONE outside of marketing actually does an induction with no pre-talk or other setup in that amount of time as the pre-talk and setup of context and gaining consent and all that is actually part of the process. At least, I've never witnessed one that was successful (I have seen a few failures but the "victim" was always pissed off at the thing as such a thing is an invasive and non-consensual attack, that is with no pre-talk or setup). Idjits trying to mimic a handshake attack induction on strangers are more likely to be culprits here.

If the pre-talk is done and consent given and the gool ol' hypnotic contract established then an instant induction would fairly be anything that is instantaneous (one second or less) but it's also fair to give it leeway to fifteen or so seconds or less.

Naturally, just getting consent and having 'em excited about being hypnotized is two-thirds of the battle anyway.

All the best,
Brian
http://www.briandavidphillips.com

[John Cerbone - The Trance-Master]

Well, whatever the definition, at least I've got a discussion started. And for the sake of argument, I see Speed-Trance, as being the shortest route to success in the quickest way of blowing minds.

[Hugh Cole]

I am going to vote with Brian here. the pretalk or setup is a very important part of the results one gets. I have been in situations where I was using bar walk props to break the ice with folks. After about ten minutes of very playful banter. I tell them I am a hypnotist,, ask for volunteers .. get one .. have him sit down .. (hypnotic contract fulfilled, pretalk done)... from that point through the Butterfly or an arm drop. is usually 10 or so seconds, I consider that an instant induction, whether I am using speed trance or not. (To me John .. (and Richard) Speed Trance is a Technique that produces Instant results) But that's just me.

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet


Brian David Phillips said ;;;;;

If the pre-talk is done and consent given and the gool ol' hypnotic contract established then an instant induction would fairly be anything that is instantaneous (one second or less) but it's also fair to give it leeway to fifteen or so seconds or less.

Naturally, just getting consent and having 'em excited about being hypnotized is two-thirds of the battle anyway.

All the best,
Brian
http://www.briandavidphillips.com

[John Cerbone - The Trance-Master]

Thanks again Hugh!

[Amanda Irvine]

Despite What's faster, I think that John has a great idea and concept with Speed Trance, as a stage hypnotist myself, Speed Trance has opened the door, to a new idea, that is both creative, and it works! Seen it used by the Trancemaster himself, speed trance can be done very quickly! It's different than Instant inductions, and is ALWAYS a croud pleaser!
I myself love doing speed trance, as it's a tool that I can use in any situation!
I think that John is very inovated. Wether Speed Trance is an instant induction, or a Speedier induction, is besides the point. John's product is one of a kind!

Happy Trancings Everyone
Amanda

[Joshua Johnston]

I agree with everyone here, essentially. Speed Trance and Instant Inductions are cut from the same cloth, in my opinion; however, Speed Trance is perhaps better branding. ;) It makes me think, well, of John's products and style, whereas "instant" makes me think of any and all instant techniques and styles.

As far as *using* it goes, it doesn't matter what you call it. As far as *marketing* it goes, it can matter what you call it.

Joshua

[Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee)]

Brian Spot on!

[Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee)]

You've got a discussion going John Welle done.
I look forward to many more.


John Cerbone - The Trance-Master said:

Well, whatever the definition, at least I've got a discussion started. And for the sake of argument, I see Speed-Trance, as being the shortest route to success in the quickest way of blowing minds.

[John Cerbone - The Trance-Master]

Thanks Paul!